[jdom-interest] * Using JDOM In Applet Help Needed

graham glass graham-glass at mindspring.com
Thu May 17 03:04:45 PDT 2001

hi jason,

your response is pure scaremongery.

we have no track record of trying to extort anyone. like jdom,
we have had thousands of downloads and not a single case of
trying to extract a single dollar from anyone.

you and i had a private email conversation a few weeks ago where
i explicitly mentioned that i considered JDOM to be in the "software
infrastructure" category and thus unable to integrate EXML.

you obviously chose to ignore this feedback, which is why i decided
to clarify the license. the new license is clearer, less vague,
and actually less restrictive than the previous license.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Hunter [mailto:jhunter at collab.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:34 AM
To: graham glass
Cc: Dennis Sosnoski; Josh Lam; jdom-interest at jdom.org
Subject: Re: [jdom-interest] * Using JDOM In Applet Help Needed

graham glass wrote:
> electric xml is meant to be an attractive *alternative* to jdom,
> not a convenient way to improve it!

This should stand as a warning to anyone considering using Electric

Do not forget Electric XML is a proprietary product of The Mind
Electric.  If they for any reason disapprove of your use of the product,
they can alter the license terms to make your use illegal.

The anti-JDOM clause is *brand new*.  I can still see the old license
without the clause in Google's cache.  Who knows what clauses will be
added next?  If your use case isn't restricted today, what about

I would advise everyone on this list to think twice and then a third
time before building anything significant on Electric XML because your
use rights are so uncertain and subject to change by one commercial

I would furthermore encourage any articles or web pages that compare
Electric XML with alternatives (such as Dennis' web page and James' web
page) to make prominent note that the license for Electric XML is not
open source and does not ensure any future use rights to the software
and that The Mind Electric has a track record of altering the license
with new restrictions.


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